Curse

Gregslot · Aug 04, 2008, 12:15 AM // 00:15

You people really NEED to be more creative naming your topics.
Seriously....

Sin City Gamer · Aug 04, 2008, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Originally Posted by Gregslot

You people really NEED to be more creative naming your topics.
Seriously....

I'm gonna say this one more time, then leave all the short bus riders alone hereafter.

AN OPEN LETTER IS SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY SENT TO THE INTENDED READER, AND THEN RELEASED PUBLICLY FOR ALL TO READ.

I posted this here for any who care about Ursan (on either side of the issue I might add) to see and decide if they wanted to also send letters to ANet stating their positions. I did this because it works (see:Shadow Form and the ecto farming QQers) and because I hope that it would work for either viewpoint. If you like Ursan the way it is, send a letter stating as much. If you don't like Ursan, send a letter stating as much. Either way, if you DON'T let ANet know how you feel on the issue, you have no room to complain if they do/do not nerf it, because there are a lot of us who HAVE contacted ANet on the issue.

Those who care enough about an issue will do something about it.

Those who don't? Don't cry when something gets done about it and you don't like the outcome.

The Little Viking · Aug 04, 2008, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Now I am not a a fan of Ursans myself, but the fact that i personally dont use it has yet to keep me (SS Necro) from not being accepted into a group. I may be an exception to the rule, but what can i say...just lucky I guess. But lets not start segrigating skills to certain areas. thats just dumb. If the developers were going to do something like that, it would have be implamented in the beginning of title skills. Lets just leave well enough alone. Im so tired of people wining and crying about Ursans. if you dont use it and cant get in a group, then how about trying to use it..If you dont have access to it, try being an asset to the rest of the team that is using it. But most of all get over the fast that its here to stay, like it or not.

Tyla · Aug 04, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by The Little Viking

But most of all get over the fast that its here to stay, like it or not.

Read dev updates. Apparently they're going to hit it. I'm not holding my breath, but I know they're going to do something to it.

As for Ursan, once again the problem isn't participation.

Tender Wolf · Aug 04, 2008, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Oh boy...I've seen about 10 Ursan threads in the past five minutes.

I'll say it again, Ursan is fine the way it is. Not everyone likes HM but in order to get titles (or money and experience from vanquishing) they are forced to go into HM. Ursan is the only way they can successfully vanquish or become a guardian, and even then an entire Ursan group can get their butts handed to them on a silver platter. I've seen it happen.

So for any future updates, I'm hoping for the HOM update that will allow us to add Tormented weapons (since I just spent a bundle on one) and have account-wide titles. Leave Ursan alone. If you don't like it, then don't use it. I couldn't care less about the economy, it's been butchered for a long time as it is.

FlamingMetroid · Aug 04, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

Oh boy...I've seen about 10 Ursan threads in the past five minutes.

I'll say it again, Ursan is fine the way it is. Not everyone likes HM but in order to get titles (or money and experience from vanquishing) they are forced to go into HM. Ursan is the only way they can successfully vanquish or become a guardian, and even then an entire Ursan group can get their butts handed to them on a silver platter. I've seen it happen.

So for any future updates, I'm hoping for the HOM update that will allow us to add Tormented weapons (since I just spent a bundle on one) and have account-wide titles. Leave Ursan alone. If you don't like it, then don't use it. I couldn't care less about the economy, it's been butchered for a long time as it is.

I don't want bad players to be considered equal to me title-wise or any other way. If they cant complete something without cheating (Ursan) then they don't deserve it.

Stockholm · Aug 04, 2008, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

I don't want bad players to be considered equal to me title-wise or any other way. If they cant complete something without cheating (Ursan) then they don't deserve it.

Wow. 2" of limp e-peen trying to look like 12" of steel

Tyla · Aug 04, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Hey another DLDU argument. If people aren't going to stretch to completing Hard Mode properly then they don't deserve the reward. I've already listed the reasons why Ursan should be killed. (And if someone brings up the issue in participation, read the friggin' thread before you post that shit)

In terms of participation, DLDU doesn't apply anyway. Why? PuGs want max ranked Ursans, barely anyone does anything but Ursan PuG-wise, guildies, allianceys and friends aren't always open.

Oh, and this thread has been around for a month.

Tender Wolf · Aug 04, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Players who prefer to use Ursan deserve titles just as much as anyone who doesn't. It's still grinding and worth the reward. Sorry if it lowers your ego, but that's the way it is and the way it should be.

FlamingMetroid · Aug 04, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

Wow. 2" of limp e-peen trying to look like 12" of steel

So you like bad players being able to do things you can, after hours of playing and learning, with not even half the effort? Its not e-peen, trust me, I've hardly done anything title-wise, I just don't like bad players being able to do it easier.

Arkantos · Aug 04, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

Players who are too bad at the game to use normal skills deserve titles just as much as anyone who is good at the game and earned their titles by not using cheap imbalanced PvE only skills. It's still grinding and worth the reward. Sorry if it lowers your ego, but that's the way it is and the way it should be.

I completely disagree with this.

Tyla · Aug 04, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

Players who prefer to use Ursan deserve titles just as much as anyone who doesn't. It's still grinding and worth the reward. Sorry if it lowers your ego, but that's the way it is and the way it should be.

Oh, I didn't say they don't deserve the titles. The thing is, grinding should never enhance your strength in a game like this, especially when it was promised. It's not even about the titles for your HoM, it's about how the skill is powered, how the skill goes against game design, and how you can mash your bar and come out with good results. I could care less about titles because every single one of them in the game aren't worth shit anymore.

Stockholm · Aug 04, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

So you like bad players being able to do things you can, after hours of playing and learning, with not even half the effort? Its not e-peen, trust me, I've hardly done anything title-wise, I just don't like bad players being able to do it easier.

Yes I do, GW is a game people play for enjoyment, their enjoyment not yours, and as such they should be able to enjoy it any way they can even if it contradicts your views on fun.

You want your accomplishments to mean something, then accomplish something in real life, not in a virtual fantasy world .

FlamingMetroid · Aug 04, 2008, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

Yes I do, GW is a game people play for enjoyment, their enjoyment not yours, and as such they should be able to enjoy it any way they can even if it contradicts your views on fun.

You want your accomplishments to mean something, then accomplish something in real life, not in a virtual fantasy world .

If I accomplish anything, anywhere I want it to mean something even if its 1's and 0's in a computer. If I put work into getting good at something, and someone else just happens to be better than me at it, that's fine. But if someone uses an unfair advantage to do that, then it devalues my time and isn't fair to me or anyone else who put in their time. I consider my time valuable, if you don't then that's your issue.

CronkTheImpaler · Aug 04, 2008, 07:21 PM // 19:21

lol this is funny stuff, Ursan is no different IMO then SF farm. Just like 8 sf farmers rampaging around UW lol. As for my opinion i love ursan, i think its a hoot runnin around demolishing everything. nothin gets a grin from me then a whole gaggle of ursans marauding across the lands!!!!!!!! come on guys, just let the nerf bat hit what it hits. when the dust settles then come back and QQ. jeez louise man. the next update will probably nerf it anyways!!!

then which skill ya gonna attack???? i dont know healing breeze is awfully powerful!! hmmmmmmmm someone look into healing sig will ya?

Cronk

Freke · Aug 04, 2008, 07:41 PM // 19:41

I cant believe you people walk around pissing your pants that somebody else is doing what youre doing easier.

If you want it to be easier, use ursan too, if you want to have a challenge, do so your way or whatever.

Who gives a shit, honestly. Titles dont mean anything but e-peen and HoM, and 90% of the people that care fall into the e-peen category.

Just like somebody posted to me yesterday when I bashed farming: some people actually enjoy the game when it's easier and some people enjoy using ursan in hard mode. Deal with it, just because its not your style of play doesn't mean it shouldn't be anybody elses either.

Tyla · Aug 04, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

I have a request. Can we stop the DLDU arguments or the "You want it nerfed because of titles" shit please?

spyke136 · Aug 04, 2008, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I have a request. Can we stop the DLDU arguments or the "You want it nerfed because of titles" shit please?

why? because you dont have a good excuse for it? other people's titles have no bearing on you. if you are proud of your accomplishments be proud. if on the other hand you want recognition from everyone else in the game for your accomplishments...grow up, accomplish something in reality and get recognition for it.

DLDU. that simple. and like i said before, why dont all the ursan haters who constantly post in these threads just pm each other and play together. it's that simple. there's more than enough of you in here to fill up a guild, get together and play the way you want to.

Tyla · Aug 04, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by spyke136

why? because you dont have a good excuse for it? other people's titles have no bearing on you.

The reason I said that is because the accumilation of titles has nothing to do with why Ursan should be nerfed. The reasons I mentioned earlier are why it should be nerfed.

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if you are proud of your accomplishments be proud. if on the other hand you want recognition from everyone else in the game for your accomplishments...grow up, accomplish something in reality and get recognition for it.

Titles mean shit anyway.

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DLDU. that simple. and like i said before, why dont all the ursan haters who constantly post in these threads just pm each other and play together. it's that simple. there's more than enough of you in here to fill up a guild, get together and play the way you want to.

Becasue that is avoiding the problem. I'm going to explain why it should be nerfed for the final time.

1. Skill bars. It completely gets rid of one of the aspects of this game.
2. Powered on grind. The least they can do is make it not powered on grind, and either way grind was against the original view of Arena Net. GW:EN just made it 5 times worse.
3. Doesn't reward skillful play, and you can simply mash your bar with good results.

Again, the "Don't like it don't use it" argument simply avoids the problem, but PuGging? That argument doesn't apply because without Ursan you can't PuG. It's as simple as that. Also, put it this way. Not using the best options means you are gimping yourself. I abuse Imbagons. It still needs to be nerfed becasue it's the most overpowered defensive system in the game, and by a longshot. I guess just because I don't like it I shouldn't use it?

As for players, people are not on and ready for you all the time. Sometimes you need to PuG for certain areas of the game.

Until you find a valid argument against the above, get out because you offer nothing but the same "DLDU", "It's becasue of titles" crap. DLDU has nothing to do with either of the points, and titles are meaningless in the first place, filling the thread with the same shit over and over again without any argument against the other three things. It adds nothing.

Skill balance is one thing, but it isn't nearly as bad as the above.

dragonx1013 · Aug 04, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

As far as the subject is concerned I am not signed. The economy did suffer but the UB gives people who like to work solo (as in alone, no solo builds) closer access to areas of the game that people used. To use ANOTHER analogy, the rich get rich off an idea. A poor man finds a way to do the rich mans work, and sweat less doing it. hence, the rich man has to work hard and find something else. Should the poor man be penalized? That is basically what you are saying when you (as in any gamer) refer to the "drop of price" in any item. It dropped because everyone else found a way to get them.

Besides, I have seen this topic posted everywhere, a lot on this forum alone! If you read the articles, ANet is looking into changing the skill. I would past the articles, but that involves me getting them, and they have been pasted so much that you can find it virtually anywhere. Yes the community did uproar about UB being powerful (hence ANet looking into it) however, I honestly think that most (NOT YOU) people who complained made a "guild wars" life off of selling ectos and are now complaining cause everyone else can get ectos and they have to find more to do.

/ Not signed